Today, I’m joined by Emmy Award-winning multi-sport broadcaster Brenda VanLengen! Since 1996, Brenda has held every role from game analyst to play-by-play and sideline reporter, and even telestrator. Her latest project is a documentary series titled If Not For Them, which details the epic story of the forgotten women who changed the world for the love of their sport. Listen in to today’s episode to hear more about Brenda’s journey and the awareness she’s bringing to equality in women’s basketball.
Brenda VanLengen is an Emmy Award-winning multi-sport TV broadcaster. She’s the primary analyst for the Big 12 Conference women's basketball coverage on Fox Sports and Play-by-Play announcer for ESPN and the SEC Network Monday night games, as well as an analyst for local networks.
In today’s episode, Brenda shares how her family supported her love of sports from a young age and she eventually went on to play basketball at the University of Nebraska Kearney. Her legacy at Nebraska–Kearney includes being named one of their top 20 scorers all-time, a two-time Academic All-American, All CSIC-1st Team, and All-District 11 First team. She also helped build up the program and her team made an appearance in the NAIA National Tournament.
Though she studied education and planned on becoming a high school teacher, women’s college basketball was her biggest passion. She got her lucky break when she was asked to fill in for the color commentator at a Kansas State game. Since then, she’s been an analyst for over 1,200 women’s basketball games.
Over her 27 year career, Brenda has seen first-hand how much progress has been made in women’s college basketball. But, there’s still a lot of work to be done to support girls and women in sports. Her latest project is a documentary series titled If Not For Them, which details the epic story of the forgotten women who changed the world for the love of their sport. She wants to tell the origin story of women’s basketball and highlight all the amazing women and men who elevated the sport.
Listen to today’s episode to hear more about Brenda’s journey and the awareness she’s bringing to equality in women’s basketball.
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[00:00:00] Anne O'Neil: Hey, Hey, GBLers. Welcome to Get Busy Livin', a podcast that brings inspiring people together to discover what ignites them to be bigger than themselves. I'm your host, Anne O'Neil. We are kicking off women's history month and March madness with one of the all-time great TV broadcasters. Brenda van Langon Brenda's incredible career as a TV play-by-play and color commentator has spanned over 27 years, including calling over 1200 women's basketball games.
She even won an Emmy Brenda called many of my basketball games while playing at Iowa state university in Hilton Coliseum. And I was so excited to reconnect with her on her latest endeavor, a docu series. She is creating on the history of women's basketball called if not for the. The, if not for them, docu-series shares the epic story of the forgotten women who changed the world through the love of their sport.
This is an important conversation where we shed a light on how courageous and talented women paved the way to play basketball years before title nine and the support of the NCAA. But if not for them team is actively fundraising for the Netflix quality production of this docu-series. So while you are listening to our conversation, go to, if not for them.com to donate to this important series, because when you remember those who came before you, you create opportunities for those who come after you.
All right, Brenda. Welcome to get busy living podcast. I am so excited. You're here by far, one of the kindest and most positive color commentators on all of television for any sport. So I'm so happy that you're
[00:01:58] Brenda VanLengen: here. Thank you. I appreciate that. It's good to see you too. It's been too long, right? It's been
[00:02:04] Anne O'Neil: a long time, probably one of those big 12 tournaments back in the day, but we were able to reconnect through LinkedIn and finding out about your incredible documentary series, which we're going to get to here in just a little bit, but first let's give everyone some context about who you are and you know, how awesome of an athletic career you had and also your amazing and long broadcasting.
[00:02:28] Brenda VanLengen: Uh, well, thank you. You know, I've always had a, a life in sports. I grew up with my dad was a coach, so I was the little three or four year old tagging along at a volleyball practice, you know, picking up the water bottles and stuff from a very young age and, uh, watching sports with my dad. I played in high school in Nebraska, very small town in Nebraska.
So I got to be at all sports, volleyball, basketball track. And, you know, I was fortunate enough to be in an era where I went to play in college and, uh, played at the university of Nebraska Carney. It was called Carney state college at the time and, uh, help build up that program to. And appearance in the NAI national tournament and just had so much fun playing basketball that I had planned on being a high school teacher and coach.
And that's what I trained for and got my education in. But because I had such a great experience playing in college, I wanted to get involved with college sports. So I reached out to the head coach at the university of Nebraska. Work there basketball camps and got hired at the university of Nebraska and was there for about five years before I decided it was time to move on and moving on, ended up being dipping my toe in broadcasting.
So the way I got involved was Nebraska public television. Had always been kind of ahead of the game. They had broadcasted girls, high school basketball, but also university of Nebraska for years and years. So that's where I got my start. And the rest, as they say is history. 27 years later, I've been doing a lot of broadcasting over the years.
[00:04:01] Anne O'Neil: You know, I love that you took the initiative to get into coaching. And then also when you saw that there was an opportunity to take the initiative, to get into broadcasting. And for all of our listeners out there, we're talking over 1200 women's basketball games that she has either been that play by play or the color analysts.
So talk about your career being in television, especially at a time when women's sports is just kind of growing and growing.
[00:04:27] Brenda VanLengen: Right. I mean, a lot of people ask me, did you get your degree in broadcast journalism? And I didn't, you know, there weren't in the eighties when I was playing there, weren't a lot of women's basketball games on television.
So I would have been either really had a lot of foresights or. Just a dreamer, if I would have gotten a broadcast journalism degree. So I really got involved as a former athlete and former coach, and I went to Nebraska public television and said, Hey, I don't have a degree in this, but I know the game. I know the players.
I love to talk, you know, can I have an opportunity? And that's where I started. So I started those first few years. I got a, I call it my lucky break. I walked into a game at a Allen field house in Lawrence, Kansas. There was a K U K state game and I was just there to watch. And it was nationally televised on Fox and the analyst for the game didn't show up.
And so they grabbed me as I walked in the arena and asked me if I wanted to call the game. And so I got my, my debut on national television with like 20 minutes notice walking into the game. And so. That was my lucky break. And that's how I was introduced to Fox sports. And from then on, I was the big 12 analyst or one of the big 12 analysts on Fox sports.
For a lot of years, I got, um, on ESPN a year later on the NCAA tournament and things just grew and really, you know, I've done. For a big portion of my career. I had 60 to 70 games per year, traveling all over the country, working for a lot of different networks and, you know, having the best seat in the house to help women's basketball.
[00:06:06] Anne O'Neil: Oh, that's right. You know, and we have that big 12 commonality and one of my lucky breaks was actually because of you calling basketball. I know we probably won't remember that. I forget the season, but I think they either double booked you or you weren't able to make one of the games in Oklahoma. And you said, what about an O'Neil to call this Fox sports game?
So I remember going down there and was like, that was just so kind and like to, for you to like, be able to give me that, that huge break to go down there and call the game. And I was like, I know I'm going to have all my stories and research done and ready to go. So here we are back on the mix again. So I have to thank you so much for, you know, that break because it was so awesome to be able to see women calling women's sports, you know, and I know that you had so many fun ones even in Hilton Coliseum, so, oh, you know?
Yeah. Talk about some of your favorite memories or most fulfilling experience. I'd say, you know, sitting on those sidelines and calling those games.
[00:07:02] Brenda VanLengen: Well, th there are so many, there are so many, but you know, one of my first NCAA tournament experiences was in Hilton Coliseum. It was in, I believe it was in 2000, either 2000 or 2001, but that, that era, you know, the era of the Angie wellies and Megan Taylor's and all of the great players that I was thinking, Stacy freeze.
Yeah. Some really good early. NCAA tournament. There's actually a picture of me interviewing bill Findlay after a game. And I'm such a rookie. I have my credential on around my neck while I'm interviewing him. And that's like a big no-no in television. Like take your credential off when you're interviewing the coach.
And, uh, so I, a lot of years that Hilton Coliseum. I was able to call a couple of national championship games from my Alma mater at the university of Nebraska Carney division two national championships. That was really cool. I've been on so many big 12, uh, women's basketball championships over the years.
In 2013, I did the world university games in Kazakhstan, Russia. And so it was such an honor that my voice was going back from Russia to the United States to call a game that the USA won a gold medal in. So that was amazing. Wow. And then I've worked besides calling games. I've actually worked on this.
Cool. Telestream. That shows the spot shadows and the lines and things like that. So I've been able to be in the truck for several w NBA finals and several like over 15 NCAA championship games and final fours where the announcer, you know, talks about a certain strategy or a certain player standing out.
And I'm the one in the background, like drawing the lines at the spot shadows. So, you know, I've just, I've been so lucky I've had. 27 years now of broadcasting games. I've been in the game analyst. I've been play by play. I've been behind the scenes. I've been sideline reporter. And like I said, I just get the best seat in the house for some of the absolute best games.
[00:09:01] Anne O'Neil: That's so amazing. And for, you know, listeners or Watchers of women's basketball games, or even March madness, you see the graphics pop up, you see the replays and you don't realize there's just such a huge team. Behind in a truck, you know, producing and directing. And then of course you have people talking in your ear while you're also trying to tell the story of the game.
You know, one of the things I went to the college world series in Omaha for an internship with ESPN, uh, one of our friends, Carol stiff back in the day, I see that upfront, what that looks like in the truck and then what they're doing in the booth. And, oh my gosh, there's so many moving parts. So I have to commend you for creating such a story for us to all be able to follow it's
[00:09:43] Brenda VanLengen: so fun.
Well, thank you. And I mean, it really is amazing what people do behind the scenes to make a television broadcast of a game happen. And even right now, I'm sitting in a spare bedroom in our house. This is where I broadcast games for ESPN right now. Oh my gosh. Sometimes the season I'm in person, sometimes I'm calling it from home.
I've got a big screen. I've got a camera. I've got lights, I've got communication. It's a box, you know? For that to happen, to be able to call a game somewhere else from my house, the technology behind it, all the moving parts, all the people that make that happen. I mean, people would be absolutely amazed if they knew how a games get on television.
[00:10:27] Anne O'Neil: That is amazing. I mean, you sound and look are just beautiful and amazing right here. So, and to hear that you're calling a game from your own spare bedroom. That's just wild to think about the technology these days. What have you discovered in your 27 years that you're still learning newly about either the sport or production or just kind of how you show up and keep growing as a commentator?
Well,
[00:10:52] Brenda VanLengen: that's a great question. I got into broadcasting as a former player and coach that loves the X's and O's of the game and loves to describe love, to describe like how things happen, how things develop things that most people, when they watch a game, they don't see because they're watching the ball and they don't see everything that's developing.
And, and so I started by using. Part of my strength to just explain why that player got so open or why this offense isn't working against this defense or, or whatever the case. And then about 10 to 12 years into my career, I started being asked by a lot of network executives. Hey, would you consider doing play-by-play for us and I, at first I was like, No, that person like has broadcast journalism degree.
They have special training. I don't know how to do that. I'm a former player and coach that can break down the game. And the more I kept being asked by people, the more I realized they were seeing something in me that I didn't see in myself, they knew about opportunities that I didn't know about. And I just needed to be open to saying yes, That's something in all of us that even if it's risky, even if you might fail, even if it's hard and challenging, you know, step out because you never know, that's one of my favorite lines you never know.
And so that's when I started doing play by play. And honestly, I was. Really bad at the beginning. I remember the very first day they threw up the ball and it was Texas a and M and Cal, I mean, not to small schools. Right. And the game starts and I'm all. Oh, wait, I'm supposed to be talking. I'm setting the scene.
Yeah. And so when you're the play-by-play you are saying. Who did something and what they did, if you're the analyst you're explaining why and how, and that's how the two announcers work together. So it took me a while to really understand my role as play-by-play. And even now I go back and forth.
Sometimes I'm the analyst. Sometimes I play by play. So what have I learned? You know, I've had to learn to switch gears. I've had to learn. To use my strengths as a television person for so many years as a basketball observer for so many years and bring that to play by play. I don't think I'm a play by play announcer like anybody else, because there are people that are a much more professional play-by-play announcers than me.
There's no doubt about it, but I bring a different perspective and experience and voice. And so, you know, and all of those things that people that are watching, you know, whatever your strengths are. Take advantage of your advantage. What is it that you bring to the table that is your strength, and then leverage that to the best of your ability?
I didn't play at a division one school. I didn't, I was never a head coach at a division one institution. I never played professionally. I never played in the Olympics. You know, all, a lot of people that you watch on television that have all these credentials. I don't have any of those credentials, but I was able to leverage.
What I did do and what my strengths are to parlay this 27 year career and be able to be on the sideline for a lot of great games.
[00:14:08] Anne O'Neil: That is tremendous. And it's sounds like it's only going to keep growing, especially with, like you said, the technology that you can call from anywhere, and now you can play any role in the television, whether it's the telestrator, the color commentator play by pay.
And just for everyone listening, we have to talk about you winning an Emmy in 2010. So I don't know if I've ever met someone that's won an Emmy before it was for this Fox sports Midwest broadcast of the 2009. Charity basketball game. Just talk a little bit about that because what an honor, that is so, so incredible.
[00:14:41] Brenda VanLengen: Yeah, it was really cool. The game itself was amazing. A former male cheerleader at Southwest Missouri state who cheered when Jackie styles was playing at Southwest. Missouri became a hospital CEO in a small community in rural Kansas. Hm. I wanted to do something special to do fundraising for preventative healthcare for girls and women in those rural communities.
And he, and some others in the community came up with this idea. How about if we have. A women's basketball game and bring in a bunch of celebrities like Jackie styles and former professional and college players to play. And then what if we televise it? And so he contacted me and asked me if I would be a part of the broadcast.
And I thought if you get that on TV. Yeah, of course. But I don't think you're going to get that on TV. You know, some small town, rural, Kansas. It was a long shot. And this guy, uh, Benjamin Anderson is his name. He's so fantastic. He'd be a good person to interview on your podcast. He's an amazing person. I got to tell you, and he got this going and got Fox there.
They had me come in, we broadcast this game and all that. W NBA players, all these rural people that they had, the high school girls play with the w NBA players, and we just called the game and our broadcast got an Emmy. And so I'm an editor and a, it was really a special thing to be. Oh, wow.
[00:16:14] Anne O'Neil: Just your first one.
We're just getting to the next piece where you never know what can happen, which was one of your main quotes that you really liked. So we wanted to chat because I saw you on LinkedIn about talking about if not for them. And I was like, what is this documentary she's making about women's basketball. So I'll let you kick it off and talk a little bit about this huge project that you're doing to shine a light on the history of women's masks.
[00:16:42] Brenda VanLengen: Well, there have not been a lot of documentaries written about the history of women's basketball. And I just thought, especially as we're about to celebrate the 50th anniversary of title nine that we need to within our community have the origin story of college women's basketball. How did we get stuck?
And the idea being, if not for them, if not, for those brave courageous, relentless women and some great men as well, but we would not have what we do today. And so that's how the idea came up. There are a lot of retired, legendary coaches, uh, right now that we want to make sure we capture their stories while we still are able to.
And as I've been interviewing and talking to so many of them on the phone, They keep sharing new stories with me. And as I was doing it, the last dance documentary series about, uh, the Chicago bulls came out and I'm like, you know, we need to have that kind of quality and that kind of extensive documentary series about the origin story of college women's basketball.
So that's how it came about. And, uh, we're rolling.
[00:17:53] Anne O'Neil: That is that's amazing. You know, when I was growing up, you know, you just usually got to see the next three or four girls that were just a couple of years ahead of you, or maybe if you went to a college basketball game and were able to watch it on TV, those were just a couple of years ahead of you and not like the entire history.
So I've watched the, if not for them trailer, I was already blown away that I didn't know, half of the stories in there. And just to give you guys again, some context, the documentary series is detailing the epic story of the forgotten women who changed. For the love of their sports. So that is the tagline.
And you can go to, if not for them, if you're listening to the podcast right now to kind of get a little bit more into the storylines. So you mentioned it's the 50th year of title nine and it is only the 40th year for NCAA championships for women's basketball. So there's that 10 year gap. And then you have the history of women's basketball to speak a little bit about that, of why it's so important to get the history and also.
The difference between title nine and when NCA women's basketball championship start.
[00:18:56] Brenda VanLengen: Yeah, that's a great question. Right? I was at that, we're celebrating the 40th anniversary of the NCAA championships, the 50th anniversary of title nine. How does that? Well, that's what this documentary series is about.
There were a group of women that actually knew that there were college women that wanted to compete in sports, compete for championships in the late sixties. And they went to the NCAA who was well-established by that time for men's sports and said, Hey, We know that women want to compete. You have the championship structure.
Would you consider having women's sports be a part of the NCAA? And the answer was an emphatic? No. No, thank you. We are an organization for men and by men and we're not interested in women's sports. Wow. And so, right, right, right. Shocking, shocking right now. Yeah. Right. And so this group of women. If they wanted to provide opportunities for women to participate in sports at the college level, had to form their own organization.
And that's exactly what they did. And they formed this organization called the association for intercollegiate athletics for women, the AAW, they put together their own. Recruiting rules, their own governance structure and their own championship structure because the men weren't interested. So they weren't going to do what the men did.
They couldn't even partner with them because there was no interest. Wow. At about the same time title nine was being discussed in Washington, DC. Originally not for sports. That's what we all know at four. But it was because there were women that wanted to be admitted into medical school or into engineering school or law school.
And they weren't being allowed those educational opportunities because they were. Because the prevailing mindset was well, they're just going to get married and have kids. And so what do we want to waste an education on a woman for, I mean, seriously, that's how people thought. And so title nine originally the education amendment was so.
Women and men were given equal opportunities in education. And that's what title nine is about is equal opportunities in education. I'm so glad we're having
[00:21:10] Anne O'Neil: this conversation. I didn't even know
[00:21:11] Brenda VanLengen: that. Right. That's what it was for. There was a woman that was involved in helping write it, that couldn't get into med school, couldn't get into law school.
So she became a politician and got voted into Congress and then went and helped write the title IX legislation. So. The NCAA had their lobbyists in Washington, DC for various things. And one of them, uh, one of their lobbyists went to the members of Congress and said, so this title IX thing, they didn't have anything to do with sports.
Right. And they're like, well, in fact it does because sports are offered through educational opportunities and all hell broke loose. The NCAA who already said they weren't interested in sponsoring women's sports. They sure as heck didn't. All their men's programs to be in jeopardy because now there were also going to be women's sports.
So all these universities and the NCAA actually spent over a million dollars to try to battle and knock down title IX at the beginning. And so, so not only were these women having their own organization, but they were also having to fight the battles, just to have title IX, being applied to sports. All the stories that come out of that.
And I've got so many great stories that are going to come through in this documentary series that I can't tell you all of them now, but some, some pockets of the country and what the battles were that had to be fought in order to. Just get universities to pay attention, to giving women opportunities and then ultimately for the NCAA to acquiesce and say, yeah, we need to also sponsor and support women's sports.
Eventually all of that came to be in the seventies and there are so many great stories that led up to it.
[00:22:58] Anne O'Neil: Wow. It's going to be such a powerful conversation to have, because the way that we look at title IX is about sports and it don't even realize that that wasn't the opportunity they were looking for to give to women.
And just how far we've come since the 1950s, I would love for you to talk a little bit about this, the really great Wayland college, the flying Queens, that was so fun to watch them. I was amazed by their ball handling skills. Of the 1950s, you know, where they won 10 AAU championships. So talk a little bit about
[00:23:29] Brenda VanLengen: that.
Yeah. If people haven't seen it on, if not for them.com, they can actually see some of the video footage that we've uncovered. But basically because there weren't opportunities in colleges for women to compete in sports in the 1940s and fifties and sixties, there was a competition and there were these communities around the country that had.
Like businesses would support a women's basketball team. So Nashville business college and Haynes hosiery in North Carolina, just, there are a lot of different, uh, Raytown Piper, Rhett's a piping company and Raytown Missouri. They had these teams that the company. More to women's basketball program and they would compete in AAU competition.
And there were a couple of colleges, so one was Iowa Wesleyan. So you being familiar with Iowa that they have a deep history and then the Whalen. College flying Queens. And so basically the president of the university was interested in having a women's basketball program and he got a local gentleman who had flown in the war and had a flying service to fly his players to Mexico for an international competition.
And then when they came in. The president of the university asked this gentleman, Claude Hutcherson, would you fly our team around for these AAU basketball competitions? And he did. And so they had these four Cedar airplanes. They flew around the country and they competed in these AAU competitions. And the national championship was.
St Joe, Missouri every year for a long time. And there were great crowds. There was a lot of interest. There was newspaper coverage and a lot of interest. And that's where a lot of women had the opportunity to compete at a high level in the 1950s and sixties. And they really laid the groundwork for.
Colleges wanting to have women's competition then in the seventies. So, you know, I've had a chance to talk to some of these women that competed for the flying Queens and flew all over the country. And you've talked about their ball handling skills. There was one time when they got snowed in, in a hotel.
I believe it was Kansas city. Some people think it was Kansas city. Something people think of as Nashville. They're not sure, but they get snowed in. And the Harlem globe Trotters were actually in the hotel also. And so the head coach for the flying Queens went to the Harlem globe Trotters and said, would you teach our players some of those tricks?
And so these flying Queens, women's basketball players, they started learning these ball-handling tricks that the Harlem globe Trotters did in their performance. And so every game they would come out and they would do like a Harlem globe Trotter type routine. And people came from all over just to watch these women handle the ball.
They were tremendous and they didn't play five on five full court. Like we know basketball. They played six on six with three on one end and three on the other. Well, actually that was the high school and you know, that that was in Iowa and different places, but they actually had two players on one end, two on the other, and then two ran up and down the court because evidently only two women had the ability to run up and down the court without, you know, uterus following out.
I'm having a heart attack or something like that, right? Oh my gosh. Ah,
[00:27:01] Anne O'Neil: I mean, unbelievable story to hear about the Harlem globe Trotters and that they were literally trotting around the United States in this plane. So thank you for sharing that story because it just goes to show, like you said, in the fifties, you got to do this and you're playing six on six.
Or
[00:27:19] Brenda VanLengen: two on two and two, right? Exactly. Whatever
[00:27:22] Anne O'Neil: that looks like. And then, and then how it grew each and every year and decade. So looking at 2022 right now on the 50th anniversary of title nine, why is it still so important to elevate women in sports? Whether it's players, whether it's people like yourself that are doing broadcasting, what do we need to highlight everything like that?
Just give everyone a little bit of context on that. Why it's still so
[00:27:47] Brenda VanLengen: important. Well, you know, there's been so much growth over the years. And so many of those stories from those early years are connected directly to the stories of today. And that's what if not for them is going to also highlight is some of the direct connections, you know, Don Staley coming from Philadelphia, being an Olympic coach, coaching, South Carolina, to a national championship.
There were black women in Philadelphia. Back in the 1930s that were competing in basketball that set the stage. And so there's like all of these connections through history and you know why it continues to be so important because girls and women should have the same opportunities that men do and they are talented.
And skilled and athletic. And the more that we support them by watching them on television, going in person to watch them compete in games, the more sponsors contribute to the wellbeing and the resources that are available. All of those things contribute to a more productive society overall. Right? When we have men and women, both contributing, both being supported and celebrated, we have a much better situation for everybody because we're not ignoring half of the population.
And we are giving opportunities. We're celebrating. I mean, there's so many great stories right now, you know, in the w NBA $75 million new money is being contributed to that league and supporting it that NWSL soccer is growing here. I live in Kansas city and we're going to have. Major league soccer stadium built just for a women's professional team built right here in Kansas city, which is fantastic.
And it's just the beginning of what we will experience. You know, we've been slow to come around.
[00:29:43] Anne O'Neil: And they started immensely, the name, image, and likeness, and we've had some really great women's basketball players already be able to take advantage of that because so many people watch them on social media and then watch their games and going to be able to take advantage.
I know Paige speakers, you know, signed with Gatorade even as a, as a collegiate athlete. So that's very fresh, but it is going to be a big opening for women in sports. And I love what you said, that we have a more cohesive strategy and game plan and voice. When we have everyone contributing, it's just like with a basketball team, you need all 12 and 15 players, you know, and you need everyone in society, really stepping up and giving everyone opportunities.
[00:30:24] Brenda VanLengen: Representation matters. You know, whether it's race, whether it's gender, whether it's sexual orientation, whatever the case, we need, everybody contributing so that we are most excited.
[00:30:36] Anne O'Neil: Well, you're making such a huge impact. I'm so excited for this documentary. Again, documentary series it's called if not for them, and you can go check it out at www dot, if not for them.com.
And I'm so excited to see the, all the stories and how it's going to shape women's basketball and being able to look back on what we have and then create an even brighter future. So I want to thank you so much for all that you're doing and for saying yes, to being on the, the get busy
[00:31:04] Brenda VanLengen: living. I love it.
I love what you are doing. So thank you. And for amplifying voices of people that are doing positive work and, uh, you know, kind of beyond themselves. And I love listening to your podcast. So thank you for inviting me to be a part of that.
[00:31:23] Anne O'Neil: Well, thank you so much for listening to our conversation. If you have a GBL story in your life, share it with me on Instagram at get busy living underscore pod. I might just share your story on a future episode. Thank you for sharing in the good vibes and giving back. And with us.